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purple_kangaroo

In Michael's testimony at the 2000 guardianship trial and the malpractice trial, he is asked a lot of those questions. He said that he was working that night and came home late, and Terri was already in bed.

You can find many of these documents at the Terri Timeline I'm building: http://www.geocities.com/purple_kangaroo_angela/terrischiavotimeline.html

Also, several friends and family members testified that they had a fight the night before and Terri was considering getting a divorce.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35304

Judge Greer ruled that broken bones or possible abuse that happened around the time of Terri's collapse had no bearing on Terri's current situation or whether Michael should be guardian.

ddb

Thanks so much Purple, especially on what they had done that night before/the fight.

With every new piece of news, I get
more and more sick to my stomach.


ddb

Steven Stanko, a murder suspect of 2 and who is on the run and there is an alert out for him tonight....just now one of his previous victims was
interviewed on the phone by Greta Van Sustren.

The way this "Elizabeth" (fake name to protect her identify) described how he had tried to kill her before he left her was an odd thing and I wonder if anyone with chemical training knows why he used this specific substance........

This Steven Stanko soaked a rag with "409" and held it over her face.

What does 409 have in it that could kill?

Thanks.

purple_kangaroo

Here's the data sheet on formula 409 http://www.herc.org/library/msds/409AP.htm

Maggie4life

DDB,

even though I think that initially you got a few things wrong, I am on the same track as yourself, that something went down to cause that collapse. Angela has filled you in on the information regarding Schiavo's movements. Also, Terri told Jackie Rhodes that she was going to visit her brother.

Now this is where it gets tricky because the lawyer for MS during the malpractice trial has stated that Michael had dinner with Terri on the previous night, and that Terri went to the bathroom to throw up.

What is missing here is the soft tissue evidence that have been available if she really did have bulimia.

I agree the facts of this case make it a very dark cloud on the horizon.

ddb

Thanks Maggie. I'm just exploring everything and throwing things out there. I appreciate any feedback, LOL.

The first thing that struck me as I have found out more details about that February night is this.

She had blond hair.
He's upset at the hair.
He's upset at the cost.
He's upset because men seem to think they should control the color of your hair for some strange reason - not all men, but it has seemed to be "their" territory for time in memorial. I say this in jest but it's sorta true. Think how much your partner has to say when you do a drastic color change. Oh my.

She had already said she was going to her brother's.
I don't believe this all happened at the 5 a.m. hour actually.

I think it happened a lot earlier - whatever happened. Maybe even as she was trying to leave.

I sure wish I knew what the word 'UNUSUAL' was meant to encompass from that police report. And also was it the
word used in the original police report, or one used by the new writer in 2003.

The police were called there because of "her age and the unusual circumstances."

And also why was homicide there? Why not some night crew reporters. Homocide isn't usually working that hour - also that is about the time of a change shift.
The whole police thing has me baffled.

ddb

oops......that's not "reporters".....I meant "why not some night patrol guys?"

purple_kangaroo

I believe their fight and Terri going to her brother's was the night before her collapse, not the night of.

pull your own damn plug

No. The fight was the afternoon before TS's "incident". It was over the hairdo she got that afternoon. $80 bucks. Michael Schiavo worked late at Augustinos restaurant.

He came home late. No one will ever know how late, but before he made the 911 call.

He says he was getting out of bed when he heard a "thud".

MS says that he found TS lying on her back. He says that he tried to shake her awake and held her in his arms until the police got there.

But the firefighter/paramedic J. Radjeski told the St Pete's PD that TS was lying face down when they found her. Legs in, head out of the bathroom.

MS phoned Bob Schindler Sr. first, Bob told him to call 911, he called 911, then, Bobby Schindler, who lived in the same building came down.

Million dollar question I keep asking. Even MS was freaked out in a panic, why wouldn't he at least roll his own wife over, to free up her airway, or look at her face. It is not a crime not to roll an unconscious person over but why would he lie about it over and over.

Unless he knew why she was face down?

I would love to get my hands on that microfilm of the original police report.

Oh yeah, and why was Homicide sent. Did MS think she was dead when he called 911.

reeed

http://www.hospicepatients.org/terri-schiavo-1991-bonescan.jpg

Has anyone noticed on the facsimile of the bone scan report (see above link), that "CLOSED HEAD INJURY" has been typed on the request form ? The form is largely illegible but the field possibly reads "Reason for study".

Gee whiz! For the order to read "CLOSED HEAD INJURY".....they sure didn't talk about the head much (or at all even).

You are right though, I see the closed head injury entry. I used to type in radiology. That should be the history provided to the radiologist.

Am I crazy or at the dates at the top of that requisition saying 3/5/91....and the bottom saying 9/5/91? It is pretty blurry.

Also, from where I'm sitting it looks totally possible that the "pregnancy" field is marked in the YES box. What do you think on your screen?

I wonder how that radiologist came by the information she had had prior trauma? It only listed closed head injury.

ddb

Thanks "pyodp". (catchy name, ha ha)

Me too. I can't get over that Homicide ended up
taking that call.

If one is to believe the police report (which I read with a grain of salt in my eye), the officer said police were called "because of her age and UNUSUAL situation."

What was going on there that was "unusual" I keep wondering.

If it was an apparent suicide attempt, usually an officer will note that in his report.

I'm still stumbling over that radiologist report though just provided on the 1991 bone scan - ugh - why was the whole body looked at and not the head in that scan? I know she had been in a hospital setting quite a while by then, but still if you are doing a scan of the body - well, the head is part of the body. Where's the scan of the head? and his conclusion is pathetic. Wonder who got to him?

ddb

Some links on Dr. W. Campbell Walker, M.D.'s deposition.

http://www.hospicepatients.org/dr-walker-t-schiavo-bone-scan-deposition.txt

Here's part of the above:

9 á á á á áQ á á There are two sets of initials down at
10 á áthe bottom. áDo you see those?
11 á á á á A á á Yes, I do.
12 á á á á Q á á Is one of those sets your initials?
13 á á á á A á á No.
14 á á á á Q á á Do you know whose initials they are?
15 á á á á A á á Well, the one set appears to be "FH,"
16 á áwhich would be Florence Heimberg, who was an
17 á áassociate of mine at that time.
18 á á á á Q á á Was she a radiologist?
19 á á á á A á á Yes.
20 á á á á Q á á How do you spell her last name?
21 á á á á A á á H-e-i-m-b-e-r-g.
22 á á á á Q á á And would that be the top or bottom set
23 á áof initials?
24 á á á á A á á That would be the top set.
25 á á á á Q á á Do you know where Dr. Heimberg is today?
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á7
1 á á á á áA á á Yes, I do.
2 á á á á áQ á á Where is she?
3 á á á á áA á á She is employed by another radiology
4 á á group in Bradenton and works at several different
5 á á hospitals and clinics in this area.
6 á á á á áQ á á What is the name of her radiology group?
7 á á á á áA á á It used to be called Baron and
8 á á Stoutamyer, but they've gone through some changes.
9 á á I think it's Stratos.
10 á á á á Q á á S-t-r-a-t-o-s?
11 á á á á A á á Yes. áStratos and some other names after
12 á áthat. áThey were based out of Blake Hospital.
13 á á á á Q á á Blake?
14 á á á á A á á Yes.
15 á á á á Q á á Do you recognize the bottom set of
16 á áinitials?
17 á á á á A á á I do not.
18 á á á á Q á á At this time, were you the head of
19 á áradiology at Manatee Memorial?
20 á á á á A á á Not at this time.
21 á á á á Q á á What would the significance of Dr.
22 á áHeimberg's initials being on there be?
23 á á á á A á á Well, it's customary for someone to
24 á áreview and sign the report before it becomes
25 á áofficial.
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á8
1 á á á á áQ á á Is this your report, then countersigned
2 á á by Dr. Heimberg?
3 á á á á áA á á As best I can recollect from that time
4 á á period. áIt's not impossible that it could be the
5 á á wrong signature attached. áIt's happened before, but
6 á á I doubt it, because that sounds like my format of a
7 á á report.
8 á á á á áQ á á Typically if your name were typed at the
9 á á bottom as it is here, W. Campbell Walker, M.D.,
10 á áwould that indicate that this is a report that you
11 á áhave dictated?
12 á á á á A á á Typically, unless, as I mentioned, the
13 á átranscriptionist appended the wrong name, which has
14 á áhappened, because they have in their computer system
15 á áa button for each doctor's signature, and sometimes
16 á áthey hit the wrong button. áBut I would say, again,
17 á ábased on the format -- because we all have our own
18 á ádictating style -- that sounds like my dictating
19 á ástyle.
20 á á á á Q á á There's nothing in this report that jumps
21 á áoff the page at you and says, "I would never have
22 á ádictated that"?
23 á á á á A á á No.
24 á á á á Q á á I notice there is a slash and then "mjt"
25 á áin lowercase initials after your typed name. áDo
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á9
1 á á you know who that refers to?
2 á á á á áA á á That would be the transcriptionist that
3 á á actually did this.
4 á á á á áQ á á Okay. áNow, I notice also on this report
5 á á that it's dated up at the top 3/5/91.
6 á á á á áA á á Correct.
7 á á á á áQ á á And also down at the bottom "Dictated
8 á á 3/5/91" and "Transcribed 3/5/91"?
9 á á á á áA á á Correct.
10 á á á á Q á á Would that indicate to you that the image
11 á áwas done on March 5th, 1991, the report was dictated
12 á áand transcribed on that same day?
13 á á á á A á á Yes.
14 á á á á Q á á Would that in any way be unusual with the
15 á áway things were done at that hospital?
16 á á á á A á á No. áThat's typical.
17 á á á á Q á á Now, up at the top the patient's name is
18 á áTheresa Schiavo. áDo you see that?
19 á á á á A á á Yes, I do.
20 á á á á Q á á This appears to be a form that was
21 á áxeroxed onto this page, the form that contains her
22 á áname. áAm I reading that correctly?
23 á á á á A á á Typically, no. áThis was a multi-page
24 á áform. áThe original form is a multi-page form at
25 á áthat time, and Radiology retains one copy of that.
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á10
1 á á And it's one of those carbonless copies. áSo this
2 á á obviously is a reproduction of that original
3 á á radiology form. áBut that block of material on there
4 á á is part and parcel of that multi-page form.
5 á á á á áQ á á So it was nothing that was laid on top of
6 á á a piece of paper?
7 á á á á áA á á No.
8 á á á á áQ á á Now, in that top block there, it says,
9 á á "closed head injury." áDo you see that?
10 á á á á A á á Yes, I do.
11 á á á á Q á á Where would that information have come
12 á áfrom?
13 á á á á A á á Typically the clerk, the intake clerk,
14 á áputs that information there.
15 á á á á Q á á And I see that James Carnahan is
16 á áunderneath Theresa Schiavo's name in the upper
17 á áright?
18 á á á á A á á Correct.
19 á á á á Q á á Do you know Dr. Carnahan?
20 á á á á A á á Yes, I do.
21 á á á á Q á á Do you recall where he was at the time?
22 á á á á A á á Not at that specific time. áBut, as a
23 á ágeneral rule, he was the rehab physician for a
24 á ánumber of the rehab facilities such as Mediplex.
25 á á á á Q á á Did he typically refer patients to
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á11
1 á á Manatee Memorial if they needed a total-body bone
2 á á scan?
3 á á á á áA á á Yes.
4 á á á á áQ á á How unusual is it to order a total-body
5 á á bone scan for a patient in your experience?
6 á á á á áA á á I don't think it's unusual at all.
7 á á á á áQ á á In any given week, how many would you do?
8 á á á á áA á á At that time?
9 á á á á áQ á á Yes.
10 á á á á A á á Myself or the department? áBecause I did
11 á ánot read all the studies done every day. áThere were
12 á áseveral radiologists there.
13 á á á á Q á á Let's say the whole department.
14 á á á á A á á In a week, probably about 20.
15 á á á á Q á á What is a total-body bone scan used for
16 á átypically?
17 á á á á A á á It's to look for abnormalities of the
18 á ábone, whether they -- if they would be recent
19 á áabnormalities.
20 á á á á Q á á Recent --
21 á á á á A á á Recent.
22 á á á á Q á á -- abnormalities?
23 á á á á A á á Correct.
24 á á á á Q á á Is it also a technique to diagnose
25 á áosteoporosis?
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á12
1 á á á á áA á á No.
2 á á á á áQ á á Explain to these lay ears what a bone
3 á á scan is.
4 á á á á áA á á Okay. áThe patient is injected with a
5 á á small amount of a radioactive material which acts
6 á á the same as calcium and phosphate and bone. áSo
7 á á metabolically this material exchanges with the
8 á á normal bone material. áSo the body thinks it's the
9 á á same as bone material and processes it the same way
10 á áas bone material. áAnd wherever there is an increase
11 á áin bone turnover in the skeleton, this material will
12 á ágo as would normal bone material.
13 á á á á Q á á Bone turnover, what does that mean?
14 á á á á A á á Well, the cells of your bones are always
15 á ábeing exchanged. áThe calcium is being absorbed and
16 á áthen redeposited. áThat's a normal thing. áAnd that
17 á ágives us a normal background pattern of activity on
18 á áa bone scan.
19 á á á á á á á If the bone is abnormal, then it often is
20 á áinvolved in abnormal bone turnover. áEither lots of
21 á ábone is being removed and not too much is being put
22 á áback or, on the other hand, more bone is being
23 á ádeposited than is being removed. áSo it's a dynamic
24 á áprocess.
25 á á á á Q á á Is the bone scan then done over a period
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á13
1 á á of time? áYou take a series of images?
2 á á á á áA á á Well, no. áIt's pretty much done all at
3 á á once. áYou inject the patient, you wait three hours
4 á á typically. áAnd that may be variable for different
5 á á institutions, but three hours is typical. áAnd then
6 á á you place the patient under the imaging camera, it's
7 á á called, and the radioactive material is slowly
8 á á decaying and giving off radioactive particles which
9 á á are detected by this camera, and that's recorded on
10 á áfilm.
11 á á á á á á á Probably I should say at this point to
12 á áclarify also, there are different kinds of imaging
13 á ácameras. áAt the time that this was done, you
14 á ácouldn't fit the whole body under the camera all at
15 á áonce. áSo the images -- you do record several images
16 á áover a period of a few minutes, one that has the
17 á áhead and neck typically, the skull; another that has
18 á áthe shoulders and rib cage; another that has the
19 á ápelvis and hips; another that has most of the legs.
20 á á á á á á á It wasn't customary when you had to do
21 á áthose multiple images to include the hands or
22 á ásometimes even the forearms and sometimes not the
23 á áfeet. áSo I want to clarify that. áThere are other
24 á áimaging systems where you can get the whole skeleton
25 á áin there from head to toe and then you have all the
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á14
1 á á bones.
2 á á á á á á á áWhen I read this report, it says that
3 á á there were multiple images, which suggest to me that
4 á á this was done as a series of pictures and probably
5 á á did not include parts of the forearms. áProbably did
6 á á not include the hands. áMay not have included the
7 á á feet completely. áSo I wanted to clarify that.
8 á á á á áQ á á But it would be one set of images?
9 á á á á áA á á It would be one set of images. áThey were
10 á áall recorded on one film, one piece of film, as
11 á áseveral small images of the various parts of the
12 á áskeleton.
13 á á á á Q á á Okay. áAt the top right under the date
14 á áappear the words "Bone Scan, Indication: áEvaluate
15 á áfor trauma."
16 á á á á A á á Correct.
17 á á á á Q á á What does that line indicate?
18 á á á á A á á Well, in the best of all possible worlds
19 á áwhen we are asked to produce an imaging study,
20 á áthere's a question that's been asked for which we
21 á áare being asked to provide an answer. áAnd in
22 á ámedicine there are many, many different questions
23 á áthat can be asked, and the examinations are tailored
24 á áto answer those questions. áAnd the report we want
25 á áto tailor to bring up those possibilities which
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á15
1 á á would most likely relate to the question that's
2 á á being asked.
3 á á á á á á á áSo if somebody comes in with a history
4 á á that says "closed head injury," belongs to Dr.
5 á á Carnahan, for example, who's a known rehab doc, and
6 á á the indication that was given to us is "evaluate for
7 á á trauma," then our mind-set is to look for those
8 á á things that are most likely related to trauma and to
9 á á possibly give some additional possibilities if we
10 á ádon't see something that fits what we expect.
11 á á á á Q á á So the question that's being asked would
12 á ácome from outside your department?
13 á á á á A á á Correct.
14 á á á á Q á á The first sentence says, "Multiple gamma
15 á ácamera images of the axial and proximal appendicular
16 á áskeleton." áWhat is an appendicular skeleton?
17 á á á á A á á The appendages constitute the
18 á áappendicular skeleton. áSo it would be the arms and
19 á álegs. áAnd that refers to what I mentioned before,
20 á áis that this wasn't done as one contiguous image of
21 á áthe whole skeleton but, rather, was a composite of a
22 á áset of images of various areas.
23 á á á á Q á á And the sentence goes on to say, "in the
24 á áanterior and posterior projections."
25 á á á á A á á Correct. áWe normally have the camera
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á16
1 á á over the chest, you know, the anterior part of the
2 á á body, to obtain one set of images, and then over the
3 á á back, over the posterior half of the body, to obtain
4 á á another set of images. áBecause the closer the part
5 á á is to the camera, the more radioactive counts you
6 á á get, and so the sharper the image. áSo you try to
7 á á make sure that you're getting images from both sides
8 á á of the body as close to the camera as you can.
9 á á á á áQ á á Given the equipment that you were using
10 á áat the time, how many individual images would you
11 á áexpect to see if we had been able to recover this
12 á áscan?
13 á á á á A á á Well, it would depend on the size of the
14 á ápatient. áBecause the closer you can get the camera
15 á áto the patient, the more of the body you can get on
16 á áany individual image. áBut typically it would be
17 á áabout six images, I would say.
18 á á á á Q á á Front and back?
19 á á á á A á á Correct.
20 á á á á Q á á Together?
21 á á á á A á á Correct.
22 á á á á Q á á And the "technetium"? áIs that how you
23 á ásay that?
24 á á á á A á á Correct.
25 á á á á Q á á That's your tracer?
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á17
1 á á á á áA á á Correct. áTechnetium is handled by the
2 á á body like calcium.
3 á á á á áQ á á And the next sentence, "There are an
4 á á extensive number of focal abnormal areas of nuclide
5 á á accumulation of intense type." áWhat does that mean?
6 á á á á áA á á Well, that means that there are a lot of
7 á á areas that look black on the images because lots of
8 á á that radioactive decaying material was happening at
9 á á those points and was being recorded by the imaging
10 á ásystem.
11 á á á á Q á á Okay. á"These include multiple bilateral
12 á áribs." áWhat would that mean to you?
13 á á á á A á á Well, you know, there's left ribs and
14 á áright ribs. áAnd that would mean that more than two
15 á áribs on each side were involved.
16 á á á á Q á á Would it necessarily mean that the first
17 á árib, left and right, as opposed to the first rib on
18 á áthe left side and say the fifth rib on the right
19 á áside?
20 á á á á A á á No. áThere wouldn't be any meaning of
21 á áthat nature. áTypically if it's one or two ribs,
22 á áwe'll actually specify, you know, rib approximately
23 á áthe second on the left. áIf you have large numbers
24 á áof areas of activity, then it's superfluous to label
25 á áeach one in the report. áAnd we would say
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á18
1 á á "multiple."
2 á á á á áQ á á And by "bilateral," you mean on each side
3 á á of the sternum?
4 á á á á áA á á It would be, yes, on each side of the
5 á á body's midline.
6 á á á á áQ á á Right. áWhat does the word costovertebral
7 á á mean?
8 á á á á áA á á That's where the posterior part of the
9 á á rib joins the spine. áThe rib on each side comes out
10 á áfrom the spine and joins the spine by an articulated
11 á ájoint. áAnd so that refers to where the ribs butt
12 á áagainst the spinal vertebral bodies.
13 á á á á Q á á "Several of the thoracic vertebral
14 á ábodies, the L1 vertebral body, both sacroiliac
15 á ájoints." áThese are all areas that were abnormal on
16 á áthe scan?
17 á á á á A á á That's what this indicates, yes.
18 á á á á Q á á "The distal right femoral diaphysis,"
19 á áwhat area of the body is that?
20 á á á á A á á That would be the right leg, the upper
21 á ápart of the right leg.
22 á á á á Q á á Distal?
23 á á á á A á á Above the knee.
24 á á á á Q á á Okay. áWhat is the diaphysis portion?
25 á á á á A á á That's the shaft of the bone.
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á19
1 á á á á áQ á á And distal is?

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7 á á á á áQ á á Thanks for doing that. áDo you recall
8 á á ever having a conversation with Dr. Carnahan about
9 á á this patient?
10 á á á á A á á No, ma'am.
11 á á á á Q á á Now, your conclusion is, "Multiple areas
12 á áof abnormal scintigraphic accumulation some of which
13 á áare radiograph for differential as discussed above."
14 á áWhat do you mean "radiograph for differential"?
15 á á á á A á á I think that sort of got butchered in the
16 á átranslation there. áBut what that attempts to say is
17 á áthat there are radiographic correlatives for some of
18 á áthe bone scan abnormalities.
19 á á á á Q á á And scintigraphic accumulation just
20 á árefers to the tracer action in the skeleton?
21 á á á á A á á Correct. áScintigraphy is another word
22 á áfor nuclear imaging.
23 á á á á Q á á Have you done bone scans on other
24 á ábedridden patients?
25 á á á á A á á I'm sure that I have.
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á31
1 á á á á áQ á á Now, are you just given the images to
2 á á read?
3 á á á á áA á á Yes. áWe're just given the images. áWe do
4 á á not typically see the patient.
5 á á á á áQ á á Okay. áWould you typically have called
6 á á the referring physician to report this type of an
7 á á abnormal bone scan?
8 á á á á áA á á No. áAnd further, when I do call a
9 á á physician, it's my custom almost exclusively to
10 á áannotate the report that it was called. áBut we
11 á átypically only call for life-threatening, unexpected
12 á áfindings. áAnd bone-scan abnormalities are not
13 á átypically considered to be life-threatening
14 á áabnormalities, particularly ones of this nature.
15 á á á á á á á If I saw a bone scan on a hip that was
16 á ápositive in somebody that we were worried about a
17 á áhip fracture, then I would call, because that has
18 á áimplications for treatment. áYou don't want them
19 á áwalking around. áYou want the orthopedics to
20 á áevaluate them. áBut in this case, no, I didn't feel
21 á áthat that was an emergent, life-threatening
22 á ácondition, so I would not have typically called it.
23 á á á á Q á á If you look at the bottom of Exhibit 2,
24 á áwhich is probably a better copy in some regards,
25 á áyou see there's some notation down there in
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á32
1 á á handwriting?
2 á á á á áA á á Yes. áI see that.
3 á á á á áQ á á It says "Mediplex," and I can't read the
4 á á rest of it.
5 á á á á áA á á It looks like it says "Mediplex 3/91."
6 á á And then I can't read the remainder of it either.
7 á á á á áQ á á Is that your handwriting?
8 á á á á áA á á No.
9 á á á á áQ á á Do you know what that would have been put
10 á áon there for?
11 á á á á A á á It might refer to the transcription
12 á ádepartment sending the report. áThat would be my
13 á águess, but that's just speculation.
14 á á á á Q á á Would it have been unusual, then, for you
15 á áto have called Dr. Carnahan and say, "Hey, I've got
16 á áthis bone scan over here"?
17 á á á á A á á It would be very unusual if I didn't make
18 á áa note on here. áAnd I would normally dictate in the
19 á áreport, the report was called in to Dr. Carnahan at
20 á ásuch and such a time on such and such a date. áSo I
21 á áwould not say that that was called.
22 á á á á Q á á Since you and I chatted the other day,
23 á áhave you had occasion to look into heterotrophic
24 á áossification?
25 á á á á A á á Yes, I have.
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á33
1 á á á á áQ á á And is this bone scan consistent with
2 á á what you have learned about that condition?
3 á á á á áA á á I'm not sure I understand the format of
4 á á that question.
5 á á á á áQ á á Okay. áIs this a pattern of heterotrophic
6 á á ossification as reported in the literature that you
7 á á looked at?
8 á á á á áA á á Not typically.
9 á á á á áQ á á What makes it atypical?
10 á á á á A á á Well, if I were to pick one thing, I
11 á áwould say the activity in the ribs is not typical.
12 á áAnd typically heterotrophic ossification occurs
13 á áaround the joints because they're not being moved.
14 á áAnd typically you will see on the radiographs
15 á ácalcium deposits actually sitting there. áAnd they
16 á ádon't look like periosteal reaction typically
17 á áeither; they have a different appearance.
18 á á á á Q á á The periosteal is where the membrane that
19 á ácovers -- I guess that's the periosteum. áRight?
20 á á á á A á á Right.
21 á á á á Q á á That covers the bone, separates from the
22 á ábone?
23 á á á á A á á Correct.
24 á á á á Q á á And then calcium ossification occurs
25 á ábetween those two?
?á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á á34
1 á á á á áA á á Correct, right. áAnd heterotrophic
2 á á ossification usually involves the actual joint and
3 á á the anatomic structures in and around the joint.
4 á á á á áQ á á Can you say, then, within a reasonable
5 á á degree of medical certainty whether this bone scan
6 á á is consistent with heterotrophic ossification?
7 á á á á áA á á In my knowledge, it's not consistent with
8 á á heterotrophic ossification as I typically see it.
9 á á á á áQ á á Do you know how heterotrophic
10 á áossification is treated, if at all?
11 á á á á A á á I don't know. áThat's outside my area of
12 á áexpertise. áSpeculatively I don't think that you can
13 á áreally treat that as a condition. áBut, rather, you
14 á átry to keep the joints mobile, which is where rehab
15 á ácomes in.
16 á á á á Q á á Physical therapy?
17 á á á á A á á Correct, physical therapy. áBecause it's
18 á áthe immobility of the joints that cause that
19 á áreaction to occur.
20 á á á á á á á MS. ANDERSON: áI have no further
21 á á á á questions.
...

pull your own damn plug

What are you getting at with the transcript of the cross examination of Dr. Walker? That there appeared to be injuries to the bones not due to ossification?

He never acknowledged ownership of this whole report that I can see. He never admits dictating it, only that it was his style. He does admit those are not his initials on the report - neither set.

That's my biggest problem.

Then, it says CLOSED HEAD INJURY - yet never addresses anything about the skull.

I question that the nuclear bone scan that was read was Terri's - that's my first question.

Having worked in radiology as a transcriptionist I KNOW
how many dictations were credited to the wrong patients because of the loose and clumbsy systems they have in most hospitals - on top of the fact of the unqualified gremlins they have running around in most radiology departments - oh the stories to tell. of both the blonde cuties and the doctors who pursue them and vice versa. But to get back to your question, my first question is if this is even Terri's nuclear scan.

ddb

I'm still stuck on BULIMIA.

Specifically, the talk of Terri Schiavo being bulimic.

I can't get that DS to open that retireddoc refers to, darn.

I have read a couple of the posts on the different TYPES of bulimia.

1. Pursing
2. Lots of fluids

The way I see it people have tried to say basically she had both types - she was vomiting (evidenced by her teeth?) and lots of glasses of tea a day.

Well, can we have it that way????

My serious question is is this DX one her personal physician has announced? Did her physician and Terri discuss and Terri ADMITTED to - both purging and fluid overload?

or

Is bulimia something that Michael Schiavo FLOATED out there?

Anybody know?

purple_kangaroo

Michael said in his testimony at one of the later trials that bulemia was just a theory that was never proven in the malpractice trial.

pull your own damn plug

I heard him say on Larry King that bulemia is something that people can be "very secretive about" and he has on other occasions confirmed that he never witnessed any bulemic behaviour from TS.

ddb

Do you think it's odd that all these hypotheses are
built on bulimia then?

Thanks for your info above.

pull your own damn plug

Did Michael and Jodi meet before Terri's 1990 collapse?
by Judi McLeod, Editor,
Thursday, April 14, 2005

It seems that the romantic first meeting place of Florida’s most famous common-law couple was at the local dentist’s office. Michael Schiavo and Jodi Centonze may have met before the fateful night of February 25, 1990 when Terri Schiavo collapsed under mysterious circumstances.

A scene, complete with soothing background music and posters of dental implants, seems an unlikely place for budding romance.

While Michael Schiavo was a married man, Jodi Centonze was a divorcee. According to published reports, Centonze threw in the towel on her marriage to her first husband, Scott Blough soon after New Year’s Day of 1989. Jodi and Scott had tied the knot in October, 1986.

Centonze’s father, Joseph was an auto mechanic. Joseph died an untimely death at age 54, when he was killed as the result of a 1988 automobile accident.

Centonze’s mother, Eleanor was an employee of then Pinellas County Sheriff Everett Rice. Eleanor worked as a clerk at the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Department, a position she held for 20 years until her retirement in 1999. Michael Schiavo, a registered nurse, was hired by Sherriff Rice to work in the Inmate’s Medical Care Division of Pinellas Country Jail. Rice’s hiring of Michael Schiavo came at the same time that guardianship proceedings were being heard in the court of Rice’s long time friend, Judge George Greer.

Records indicate that Jodi Centonze had been injured in two automobile accidents. The first one was in December of 1987, followed by a second accident some eight months later.

At the time of the accidents, Centonze had already been working full-time in the insurance industry.

Joining the insurance industry while she was still a high school student, Centonze took a full-time job with the industry following her graduation in 1983. Although most known for her directorship in the inactive Jerger & Centonze Insurnace (sic) Agency Inc., where Michael Schiavo is listed as a 2001 director, in reality Centonze holds licenses with multiple insurance companies, including American Liberty Insurance, which according to its website holds "fundraises for the Hospice Foundation".

After sustaining neck and shoulder injuries in the 1988 auto accidents, Centonze is alleged to have had as many as 19 cavities in a year, and was seeing a dentist on a regular basis. It was in the dentist’s reception area that she reportedly met Michael Schiavo, allegedly some time before February, 1990.

Terri Schindler Schiavo had worked for Prudential Insurance Co. in Pennsylvania and continued with the company in Florida when she moved there with husband, Michael. Terri was employed by Prudential at the time of her collapse.

Only Michael was a witness to Terri’s collapse on the fateful night of February 25, 1990.

Although in sworn testimony, he admitted that he knew CPR. Michael admits that he did not administer it. Having found Terri lying face down, he apparently didn’t even take steps to move her head allowing her to breathe easier.

Unsolved mystery one thousand and one in the Terri Schiavo case involves 53-year-old Gloria Centonze, wife of Jodi’s brother, John Centonze. Gloria claims that she was a nurse for Terri at a nursing home, circa 1990-1991.

But according to the licensing records for Florida medical professionals, no nursing license is on file in Florida under either the name Centonze or Gloria’s maiden name of Cessaro.

Meantime, there are enough unsolved mysteries in the Schiavo case to call for a Colombo

med student

Judi McLeod, editor - of what? Furthermore, what does this article even prove? I'll tell you - nothing. It doesn't even have any proof to back up the headline. It's nothing but conjecture and speculation.

Follow the clues

Read behind the lines

think

med student

Reading behind the lines is exactly why all of you are dreaming up crazy scenarios that have no basis in fact whatsoever. There is no way that the police, an entire emergency room staff and the Schindlers would have missed evidence of any wrongdoing leading to Mrs. Schaivo's injury. And, there is no evidence that anything happened.

So, this article suggests they may have met before. It can't even prove that, but let's just say it's true. So what? So they met. Big freakin' deal. Married guys meet single women everyday single day millions of times in this country. That doesn't mean anything at all. Unless, of course, you've already decided that Mr. Schiavo is a filthy scum bag. None of the evidence you all cite here is proof of anything, it's just one giant clump of hearsay and conjecture that you cling to because it supports your ideas. And, it all fits together nicely, but the problem is none of it has any proof anywhere.

And, I'll ask again. Judi McLeod, editor of what?

ddb

med student, have you ever done any reporting?

Did you know you have to get some tips and then you
do your own leg work. That's what investigative reporting is about. Nothing is handed to you neatly notated, organized, verified, and wrapped up with a nice little ribbon.

This piece above to me were some good tips to follow and verify or rule out.

And as for your sentence:

"And, there is no evidence that anything happened."

Just like I don't know there is more evidence, you for sure don't know there is no evidence........we, here, know nothing. We weren't there and we don't have the original materials, and we no longer have Terri's body.


ddb

On Greta Van Sustren tonight, April 15, 2005

Newly released records, according to Greta:

A bunch of complaints - CHARGES OF ABUSE - to Fla Dept Children and Fam SErvices made between 2000-2003

44 pages released
Released on order of Judge Greer...no opposition
BECAUSE OF REQUEST OF THE MEDIA so they are watching!

Dr. Baden has reviewed the 44 pages.
He said all 89 complaints from 2000-2003 were found UNFOUNDED.

All were by "anonymous"
Were about
...Hospice not giving good care
...Husband not giving good care.
...No GYN or dental care
the more serious complaints were from conditions back
in 1990 like:

....Multiple fractures of back and 1 leg
....May have been strangled the first night and that is what led to her head trauma.
....Appeared to have been injected with something [the Clearwater Police "investigated" and found nothing]

According to Judge Greer, NOW, he decides that the public right to know now OVERRIDES the privacy right of Terri.

Per Dr. Baden, the ME's report should cover the charges of abuse from 2000-2003 (I'm not holding my breath on this one, this groups keeps all it's bases covered).

Oh well, that's all I can remember from the segment.

Supposedly the Agency had their own doctors go in and go over the case.

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