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Maggie4life

CBB

please forgive my arrogant postings on your site. That being said, I understand what you are saying and I recognize that you were doing nothing more than asking questions when things do not add up.

For those who disagree, including the trolls, who cares about them anyway. If they are prepared to condemn one innocent woman then they better be wary of ever finding themselves in the same predicament.

Thank you for being so informative.

Jimmy Porter

Nice rebuttal to posts in general. Sorry if I too, question everything I read on the internet. Your blog remains at the top of my list. I'm waiting for part 2.

Susan Nunes

There are so many questions about this case, and to bring them up causes far too many people on my side of the political spectrum--liberal--to react in knee-jerk fashion.

It's impossible to look at the case and not come to the conclusion that I did a long, long time ago, that the claims being made on behalf of killing Terri Schiavo were phony, not to mention the credibility of the main person wanting her dead is nonexistent.

Kathleen

Why on earth should you have to apologise for wanting to not kill a disabled person as so many wish to do. Their position is uniformed bigotry that terrorizes the disabled and those that love them.

When they come to their senses and realize that they assisted a scuzbucket of the lowest order to torture and murder his cuckholded wife, there will be some pretty fast back peddling.

And who is taking bets that the autopsy results show she had no brain at all and no history of fractures. I would bet $100 grand on that one if I had it. Clearwater county knows where to hide its skeletons.

syd

I hope that this exercise of explaining yourself *again* will not discourage or fatigue you. This blog is truly unique in that you have the knowledge and the nuts to ask the hard questions. Please continue to do so.

Maggie4life

I want to back the comments of those other people who have made a comment. Susan, it is so very heartening to know that there are quite a number of people who see themselves as liberals who have been so willing to seek the truth about what happened, and about the collusion that has taken place. I am on the conservative side of the fence, and this situation has fired me up to see that justice is done.

There is ample evidence of a motive and desire to kill in this case. The evidence, believe it or not is hidden within the truths and half truths of the depositions and interviews that have been done. Why for example is it in the police report that Michael did not know why she would want to commit suicide? This is just one more example of Michael attempting to shift blame elsewhere.

CBB keep up the good work. You are yet another liberal person who has given me a lot of heart. I see the passion within to ensure that what has to be exposed will be exposed.

Ferry Fey

Thank you for the work you've put into this blog. It contains by far the most impressive
arguments I've seen for not removing Terri's food and water. I hope that as information continues to be revealed, that this may at least help someone else at some point.

I have a question about Terri's initial condition that I don't recall having seen covered by anyone.

It has been stated that Terri was consuming vast quantities of iced tea in order to lose weight. I would assume that given the weight-loss goal it was probably diet iced tea, and thus very likely sweetened with aspartame.

I have read that some of the symptoms of problems with aspartame can be dizziness, brain damage, and menstrual disorders.

Do you know of any reason to rule in or rule out aspartame as factor in her initial unconsciousness? Would aspartame toxicity lead to any changes in the brain that might have shown up in any of her testing over the years?

Marty Salo

As a brain injured individual, I thought that some of the descriptions of Michael Schiavo's active opposition to providing rehabilitation efforts for Terri, were bad. I recognize that the nature vs. nurture argument were part of the story. If someone is not encouraged to progress, then nature will win. It's a bad thing to have someone waste away. I realize that there are probably other factors operating in Michael Schiavo's life.

I believe that when I was first in the hospital, the first Nuerosurgeon predicted that I would be in a persistant vegetative state. There was a pediatric Neurologist who had hope, and I have supportive parents who wanted to help me become a productive member of society.

Maggie4life

Just a side issue here. I was speaking to my mother this morning, about the state of one of my sisters (she is dying from cancer) and I brought up this case. My mother mentioned that when my other sister was in a coma in 1959 the doctors did not give her any chance of survival.

That sister is now around 55 years of age, a mother of 4 daughters and grandmother of 10. Of course it would have been 11 but a doctor's bad decision killed Nathan.

So CBB you are doing everyone a big favour with the work that you have put into this case.

susano

Love the blog and don't think you should change your approach for anyone.

This case has raised so many important issues - some only pertaining to TS, others with massive implications for this society, in law and in medicine. It's about time these issues are looked at, straight on.

At 50, I'm beginning to think about where I can move to be sure that somebody won't off me, with the consent of the law, before my time has come.

Nick

CBB,

Congratulations on the well-deserved attention that your provocative and insightful writing has attracted.

You write "The problem always seems to come down to people not reading what I said. Because I usually mean exactly what I say and no more. But people cannot help expanding, changing, and transmuting what I've written."

I can't help but feel that continues to happen, reading these last few comments on your seemingly clear post today.

In the context of your larger crusade to improve medical reporting, I wonder, would you still have issued your $100k challenge, even if you had no opinion with regard to Schiavo's fate? It would seem consistent with your earlier writings, to issue this challenge. Regardless of whether one wanted the tube removed, neurologists shouldn't be going around interpreting CTs to make diagnoses on the air, and reporters shouldn't be uncritically parroting these experts.

Maybe you'll address this in part two. I don't think a lot of your readers understand your broader goals with this blog, despite your repeatedly stating it.

Joyce

Thank you for continuing to write about Terri.
The way you write lends creditability to your message.

The MSM does not go out of it's way to find the real facts. That would take real work. For years the MSM parroted the "Terri is in a coma" till finally the advocates partially got through.

However, many folks truly lack a discerning mind, and unfortunately, people who claim to be liberal actually demonize those who would have saved Terri's life and given her the chance for improved circumstances.

I now no longer consider myself to be a liberal any more, because of this issue. I do not know what I am anymore. Terri should have been allowed to live. Members of "liberal" groups seemed to assume that I was a republican, or a Bush supporter etc, if I supported allowing Terri Schiavo to live. I received many emails about Bush and his various pieces of legislation, initiation of the war, etc. When I cited Nat Hentoff's writings (for the Village Voice, no less) I still was demonized, and his writings were deemed a dubvious source.

Now I see how Hitler did it.

It takes guts to wrtie about this issue, and also
it demands brains - I see that you have both.

Please continue on, if only to continue to inspire the rest of us. Thank you thank you for your work.

jack caffey

CBB

Don't change. Reading your blog is like sitting down for a good chin wag with a spirited friend. Rock on.

Dear CBB,

I too thank you for your straight shooting opinion.

When I saw Terri‘s situation I did not think, “Oh boy!” This will be useful to advance my view of politics, religion, law, medicine, philosophy, human rights or whatever. I was half paying attention to a Larry King interview while doing dishes when to my astonishment I heard someone’s daughter had been denied food and water for over six days. I stopped and looked. What I saw was a woman the news had said was in a “coma” fix her eyes on her mom while her expression of stupefacation changed into a beautiful smile. I was stunned. But what really got me was when her dad teased her— she LAUGHED! I was absolutely floored that she had already been put through six days without water against her parents wishes and authorities were trying to do so again. I don’t usually burst into tears while watching the news.

Setting aside this grotesque affront to parental instinct, you do end up in the aforementioned areas of thought and action. Having a place to go that focuses on the medical aspects is invaluable. I still have opinions and questions on the differences between legal and medical definitions and methods of diagnosing PVS, but the blog has become so big, I have not been able to sort through it yet. Unfortunately, I still have to earn a living!

Meanwhile thanks to the others especially the link to the Fieger / Healy / etc. interview and more. I hope to continue this discussion especially if more medical information comes in.

Oh! Before I forget— right after you posted your challenge, I saw the two scans you talk about while Sonjay Gupta commented. Though the short statement he said qualified what was shown, the words were lost on the average Joe. Meanwhile the pictures spoke otherwise, especially when they put “Normal” under one and “PVS” under the other.

JT

Dear CBB,

I too thank you for your straight shooting opinion.

When I saw Terri‘s situation I did not think, “Oh boy!” This will be useful to advance my view of politics, religion, law, medicine, philosophy, human rights or whatever. I was half paying attention to a Larry King interview while doing dishes when to my astonishment I heard someone’s daughter had been denied food and water for over six days. I stopped and looked. What I saw was a woman the news had said was in a “coma” fix her eyes on her mom while her expression of stupefacation changed into a beautiful smile. I was stunned. But what really got me was when her dad teased her— she LAUGHED! I was absolutely floored that she had already been put through six days without water against her parents wishes and authorities were trying to do so again. I don’t usually burst into tears while watching the news.

Setting aside this grotesque affront to parental instinct, you do end up in the aforementioned areas of thought and action. Having a place to go that focuses on the medical aspects is invaluable. I still have opinions and questions on the differences between legal and medical definitions and methods of diagnosing PVS, but the blog has become so big, I have not been able to sort through it yet. Unfortunately, I still have to earn a living!

Meanwhile thanks to the others especially the link to the Fieger / Healy / etc. interview and more. I hope to continue this discussion especially if more medical information comes in.

Oh! Before I forget— right after you posted your challenge, I saw the two scans you talk about while Sonjay Gupta commented. Though the short statement he said qualified what was shown, the words were lost on the average Joe. Meanwhile the pictures spoke otherwise, especially when they put “Normal” under one and “PVS” under the other.

JT

Dear CBB,

I too thank you for your straight shooting opinion.

When I saw Terri‘s situation I did not think, “Oh boy!” This will be useful to advance my view of politics, religion, law, medicine, philosophy, human rights or whatever. I was half paying attention to a Larry King interview while doing dishes when to my astonishment I heard someone’s daughter had been denied food and water for over six days. I stopped and looked. What I saw was a woman the news had said was in a “coma” fix her eyes on her mom while her expression of stupefacation changed into a beautiful smile. I was stunned. But what really got me was when her dad teased her— she LAUGHED! I was absolutely floored that she had already been put through six days without water against her parents wishes and authorities were trying to do so again. I don’t usually burst into tears while watching the news.

Setting aside this grotesque affront to parental instinct, you do end up in the aforementioned areas of thought and action. Having a place to go that focuses on the medical aspects is invaluable. I still have opinions and questions on the differences between legal and medical definitions and methods of diagnosing PVS, but the blog has become so big, I have not been able to sort through it yet. Unfortunately, I still have to earn a living!

Meanwhile thanks to the others especially the link to the Fieger / Healy / etc. interview and more. I hope to continue this discussion especially if more medical information comes in.

Oh! Before I forget— right after you posted your challenge, I saw the two scans you talk about while Sonjay Gupta commented. Though the short statement he said qualified what was shown, the words were lost on the average Joe. Meanwhile the pictures spoke otherwise, especially when they put “Normal” under one and “PVS” under the other.

JT

Maggie4life

CBB,

I have to comment again because I feel that I am in such good company with the people here today.

There is a new case in Georgia and I have just heard about it. This is very different from Terri's case because the woman is not brain damaged. Her grand daughter has gotten control as guardian and she is trying to kill her grandmother because she is "old". She has ordered the pulling of her tube. The action started on March 28.

I continue to applaud your efforts in speaking out. It is not easy when people are not willing to listen or believe what you are saying. I was attacked personally by someone because I gave a group of friends the facts about this case. That person did not believe that MS has done anything wrong.

I have a question. If an examining doctor wrote that Terri was awake, how could anyone state with absolute confidence that this woman had always been "comatose" and had not responded at all? If unsure about this question, please read the notes from Bayfront hospital.

CodeBlueBlogMD

I don't consider this an apology, at all.

One of the problems with blogging is that the central thread of an issue is frequently sewn through posts over several days. A message that is coherent in my mind is actually broken into fragments over days (and weeks)and needs, sometimes, a recapitulation that puts it all together in one place. One of the reasons for people's misinterpretation of certain concepts brought forth in a given post is that they jump into the blog --on a link, or search -- and with no preface, take a portion of the overall message and interpret it out of context. This was rampant in the Schiavo posts and lead to much of the conflict on the message boards and in my email. I did a similar summary of my many posts on the controversial case of Viktor Yushenko, the recently elected president of the Ukraine. That summary was printed in the ultra-libertarian journal "Antiwar" (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/boyle.php?articleid=4217)


Insofar as the style, or tone, I only meant to imply that if there is a large amount of traffic to the site, I don't want to chase away readers who might not get the shtick, because the basic idea is to try and initiate change by educating and informing. You can't do that if readers run from what, on the surface, may seem outlandish to them.

That being said, I don't plan any purposeful, or planned change in styles. I'm just accepting criticisms and suggestions of readers and keeping that under consideration.

Because a blog is written on the fly there is no way one can change the emotional element of reacting to events and translating that quickly into print. That's how blogs are -- good or bad. Blogs that are too carefully written, or overly edited, run the danger of coming across stilted and look more like MSM.

So, writing in the heat of events "live" leaves little room for a leopard to consider some better pattern for his hide's coloration.

Russell E. Wilson

I am now a regular reader.

Thank you,

Rusty

Graham Lester

One of the things that disturbs me about all this is the way these media neurologists act as if the brain is an intricate machine every part of which serves a specific and known function. It reminds me of phrenology.

Their argument is that if you take out parts a, b and c, then functions x, y and z become impossible, as if the purposes of the various brain parts were as sure as metal cogs.

That seems highly presumptuous. As a parent of a child with a severe brain dysfunction, my experience from visiting neurologists in the real world is that they know very little indeed about where to look to find the biological bases for abnormalities.

It seems to me that to justify withdrawing a feeding tube, we would at minimum have to first prove that the patient is at all times incapable of rational thought, no longer experiences human emotion, and has no sense of pain.

It just doesn't seem to me that we know enough about the brain in general (let alone Terri's brain in particular) to make those judgments with any degree of certainty.

purple_kangaroo

Maggie4life, I'd like to look up the case you mentioned where the daughter is trying to withdraw her mother's feeding because she is "old". Can you give a name or other information about this case that would allow me to find more information about it?

susano

Maggi-4Life, Do you have a link regarding the case you've mentioned in Georgia?

Maggie4life

Go to Blogs for Terri for information

Maggie4life

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